Night time routines for 4 month old puppy

What do your evening and overnight routines look like with your puppies?

Currently our puppy will usually nap till around 5-5:30 (we usually need to wake him) to then have dinner around 6pm. Then while he eats and (hopefully) plays by himself we prepare our dinner. But we've found unless we put him in his crate he'll spend our entire dinner whining trying to get to us from his play pen.

So he ends up going down to sleep between 7 and 7:30 in his crate. We had been having luck with then taking him out to pee around 9:45 and then getting right back in for bed but it seems he's maybe outgrowing this because he's not going right back to sleep. I think maybe he's getting too much sleep in the evening but not sure how else we can manage to feed ourselves/do dishes/shower etc unless he's in his crate.

We've also been getting up at ~3:30am to take him out but usually need to wake him to do this which I feel like isn't the best, but I'm not sure he'd make it all the way to 5:45am when we wake up for work so selfishly getting him up then means we can at least get back to sleep for a few hrs after.

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